Tusker 33' Workboat - New member

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Tusker 33' Workboat - New member

Blue Swell · Senior Member

Good Evening Lee ,

Welcome to the forum hope you find some useful information/advice here, please feel free to join in.

Unfortunately I know nothing history wise about your Tusker Lochin but your latest engine is certainly giving good performance,sure some will be along to ask Propellor Spec's soon. Trouble is with that much power/performance on tap its nice to use when possible hence the increased running costs........... Think we all need a RED line marker on our rev counters for the economical cruising rev range LoL.

Regards

Geoff.......................

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi Geoff,

Thanks for the welcome.

Our prop is a Clements Hyperform 23.5 x 22.5 4 Blade. I think we're about 50rpm from the maximum with that prop, but the engine isn't under any load at all when cruising. Even with the throttle to the stops she is sweet as a nut and dancing along. You're right about the running costs too, it is nice to know that the power is there if we want it. We could probably choose to cruise at 15/16kts and save a bit more, but at 18 we are really covering ground. The marker might not be a bad idea! :)

We're hopefully looking at changing to a 33 Sports Fisherman soon, but we already know finding one with the same speeds and within our budget is unlikely, so we will be looking at no less than 300HP. Bit of a change but for me the trade off in speed vs boat is worth it - I love the Sports Fisherman.

Cheers,
Lee

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

One question I did have, was are the spray chines available to buy as a mould from Lochin? I think we'd benefit from them in the rougher weather :)

fingers crossed · Senior Member

Hello Lee,

welcome to the forum also.

I think the spray rails you are looking for are available and you should speak to Simon or David at Lochin and they will help you.

You must be really pleased with your boats performance with 500hp though. I have 'only' managed 30.5 knots and thats with twin 370 Volvo's! We normally cruise at an easy 20 knots with plenty of reserve in hand when needed.

Just wondering why you want to change from a 33 workboat to a sportsfisherman though? Would the extra cabin area be worth the change?

The trouble is you get the 'bug'. When I had my 333 harbour pilot built she was everything I ever wanted, but I now want a 40 foot sportsfisherman!

Anyway good luck and be nice to see some photo's of your boat when you can.

Dave.

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi Dave,

I've just spoken to someone at Lochin and they'll get back to me with the price later :)

We are really pleased with the performance and the 500 worked out well for us. The reserve is nice isn't it.

We (my brother and I) both love the Sports Fisherman. We also like the helm being slightly more aft than it is now, makes for a more comfortable ride. I've also got a young family and the upgrade would mean more comfort when we head off to the IOM or similar. A friend has one locally and doesn't seem to mind the slightly less space in the ****pit for the anglers.

A couple of photo's from last summer when she was being transported from the house.

Blue Swell · Senior Member

Hi Lee and All

I have the spray deflectors fitted from new, and certainly a worth while fitment.I normally run around 16-18 knots and return a reasonable 4-5 galls an hour but pulling the 24 knots it doubles i think.

Considering how lovely your Lochin looks and the work carried out, have you thought about having the wheelhouse professionally extended?

Regards

Geoff

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi Geoff,

Is your consumption overall or per engine? With 10 anglers, myself and a full tank of fuel (220 gallons) at 18kts we're burning 15gph. I don't suppose it is all that bad considering the weight of the boat / engine and its load, and given the speeds we're getting. I haven't tried slowing down to 15/16kts with that setup, maybe I'll try it to see how much difference it makes.

We didn't consider getting the wheelhouse extended - it is maybe something we could look into but I'd expect the cost to be quite high. With us looking to change boats, we have to weigh up the price of the spray deflectors and if it will be worthwhile. Lots to think about at the moment. There is just something about how the Sports Fisherman looks :) Our aim within a few years is to end up with a 38' - nice to have something to work for!

Cheers,

Lee

Martin · Senior Member

Hi Lee

Your boat looks mint from the pictures, I guess you have done a lot of work to her to keep her looking that good. Your wheelhouse is identical to mine before it was extended. I now have another 4 feet or so behind the helm seat and a L shaped bench which can be made into a double berth. We are coded for 12 passengers and there is still plenty of room but for fishing though it is better with 10. If I had planned the extension I would have tried to make it prettier, espcially the window lines, but it works and I aren't going to change it.

We are currently running a Ford Sabre 280 which gives us 14.5kn max but cruises about 11kn @2000rpm. We usually run at 7.5kn for wildlife watching so are considering fitting a smaller quieter engine which would also use less fuel and be cleaner. I like the idea of 500hp just to see what my boat would go like but the 15gph scares me to death!

Lady Jayne has spray rails fitted (retro) and I am told that before fitting she was a wet boat (I think she still is) but with a bigger engine and trim tabs this could be cured.

One thing which I noticed from your pics is the freeing ports. When we started a new 5 year plan we had to open up ports along both sides to meet the requirements. When I checked old pictures of the boat it originally had them and were subsequently blocked off. Just wondered if you ever had them?

Welcome to the forum, it is good to have another commercial operator on here.

All the best

Martin

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi Martin,

She is much better condition than when we bought her, she had been used for potting. The hull shield is still fitted to the starboard side where the potter used to be - we use that side for picking up so made sense to keep it and save the hull.

I remember seeing your boat on FAFB when she was for sale a while ago. An extra 4 feet would be nice, but the cost of extending vs cost of changing boat is something we need to look into a bit more. I'd be looking at around mid 30's when we put her on the market, which 'should' mean we could pick up a sports fisherman for around the same price and with the engine range we need. Will have to wait and see though.

I think yours might be a heavy lay up - we have the ribs fitted too. A friend has a late 70's sports fisherman with 300hp mermaid and cruises at around 14/15kts with around 20kts flat out. The fuel is something that can be a pain, it costs around 1/3 of our daily charter rate :O A Mermaid (or new equivalent) might be something for you to consider - economy and slightly better speeds.

We're thinking of fitting the rails to help with the spray, but we don't have the trim tabs fitted anymore. We used to have the fuel tank aft of the engine, but fitted wing tanks either side and fitted the trim tabs at the same time. It turned out to be a waste of time for us - although I can't rule out fitting electrohydraulic rams at some point in the future. We fitted a GRP deck hatch where the old tank used to be - great for storage and accessing the steering gear.

We have small holes drilled at deck level that you can't see in the photo's - that and the rear scuppers were deemed enough for the code. The holes are right behind the wheelhouse back and help with draining off when we have her down at the head.

I checked the paperwork and it was built in 1981 and fitted out by Cardiff Boat Builders. We've done a lot of work since though as we think the previous owner altered a lot themselves. . We decided that if we can't get a fair price that we'd keep OCEAN STAR and give her a sprucing up over the next year.

Cheers,
Lee

Martin · Senior Member

Hi Lee

It sounds like your set up has been similar to mine at some time. I still have the sacrificial patch that used to be below the hauler - mine was a creel boat too for a lot of its early life. I still have all fuel 3 tanks, aft and wing fitted but when used in code can only use the aft tank as each tank holds 100 gallons. When I bought LJ I also had a hatch made and fitted over the steering gear as there was little or no access if something went wrong. This proved its worth last year when the stuffing box on the rudder post came loose! Without the hatch I would have had to beach her or lose the boat.

You are probably correct about the heavy lay up. That and an over enthusiastic joiner converting the wheelhouse with too thick ply results in the boat being quite heavy. This I think is what holds the speed back with the current engine. When at anchor we are slightly down by the head but level when loaded and under way. We also have too small draining ports forrad - interesting. When i change the engine (if) I will also have a new engine box lid made, probably in aluminium as the current wood/glass is very heavy. A general lightening has taken place since we bought LJ but there is still room for improvement.

What I can't find is the HIN number! I have been told she was built in 1976 and 1981! I would like to know when she was built and who fitted her out. Maybe I will find out one day.

Cheers for now

Martin

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi All,

I'll be lifting out at the end of September for a week and will be repainting the boat. She has been painted over several times before we bought her so I'll be applying a couple of coats of International Enamel to get the shine back to the hull. As you all know there'll be other jobs to do as always but I can't wait to get her back looking ship shape.

I'm having some new name transfers made up ready to fit after painting. What I'd really love is some of the name transfers that I've seen on other Lochins - the ones that are about 8 feet or so long, sort of tapers down from the bow heading to the wheelhouse. The name is usually in the hull colour in the middle of the transfer. Sorry for the vague description but I don't know the correct name for it! (Exactly like 'Wouter' has)

Does anyone know where I can buy them from, or could any reputable signage firm make them for me?

Thanks in advance,

Lee

Blue Swell · Senior Member

Hi Lee

My Lochin has the flash with the name written in but is painted from new although the name lettering is vinyl. My plan for the future is to remove the paint and have it replaced in vinyl from a local signwriter, think that is your best option whilst out of the water.

Regards Geoff.................

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi Geoff,

Thanks for the reply - that is exactly what I'm looking for. Although I can only dream of a hull finish like that at the moment :)

As Ocean Star was a workboat for most of her life before us, the hull has been painted over. I'm hoping to get her looking nice again at the end of the month and we'll see how the market goes for selling her - but I'll only sell if there is another Lochin to buy, nothing else will do. I've emailed Simon Thomas and he's happy to sell her for us once I'm ready and have all the photo's sorted.

I'll speak with a couple of local signwriters and see what they say - I'm sure someone will be happy to do it.

Can I ask where you got your Lochin 33 stickers from?

All the best,
Lee

Blue Swell · Senior Member

Hi Lee

My Lochin stickers where already on Blue Swell. Im sure Simon may be able to help you out with those

Geoff

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Thanks Geoff -I'll have a word with Simon. :)

I don't suppose you have the measurements of the flash do you? Length / Height etc. No worries if not I'm sure I can manage to sort something that looks OK.

Cheers,
Lee

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has ever had their hulls 'blasted' ?

I've had what I think is a very reasonable quote of under £600 for the whole hull - paint & antifoul. The guy said they can use Eco friendly Bicarb of soda or recycled glass.

I think this is my best shot at getting a silky smooth finish at less cost that gelling the hull. Thoughts & input appreciated as always.

Cheers,
Lee

Martin · Senior Member

Hi Lee

When I got lady Jayne she had about 1/4 inch of accumulated antifoul below the boot stripe which had been chipped, painted over chipped again etc so the finish was horrific. I had the below sections slurry blasted back to the gel coat and an epoxy treatment before new antifouling put on. The above section was painted many times but this was just rubbed back with wet and dry to a solid base before painting properly. If you can have the whole hull done for £600 it is not a bad price and will save you many hours of work.

I would do the same again if faced with the same situation, it is a quick and easy method and these new low pressure blast systems with a choice of different medium are great for loads af stuff. I know a bloke who had his RIB tubes blasted and they looked like new again.

If you want a perfect finish then new gel coat is the ultimate but perfection costs. It is going to come down to budget and how good you want it to be. There was a discussion on here not long ago about gel coat versus Awlgrip paint system which you might find useful.

Hope this helps

Martin

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi Martin,

With regards to cost then it'll have to be towards the lower end of the scale at the moment - I have to remind myself that the plan is to sell and change to a Sportsfisherman as soon as I can. If I don't slow down I'll end up spending too much.

Our hull has been the same - never been blasted in our 8 years of ownership but always something I'd like to do. I'm thinking that around the £1k mark should be enough for blasting and paint. I have the antifoul already. Hopefully it'll make all the difference when it comes to the finish. I just like the idea of knowing that the work is being done the right way.

I'll be putting rubbing strakes on both sides just aft of the wheelhouse - and possibly on the stern quarters too. This should save the majority of the hull from any potential damage when picking up on the slipway.

After some careful thought, if the Ocean Star doesn't sell at a reasonable price then I'll price up the wheelhouse extension. Depending on the cost of that, I might end up with a canopy instead. We'll have to see.

Have you given any more thought to your next engine?

Cheers,
Lee

Martin · Senior Member

Hi Lee

It is always a problem knowing how much to spend on a refit, as you rightly say you can easily end up spending too much and not getting your money back. I have had to take my time with LJ and do it bit by bit as finances allowed so when I swap the engine that will be the last major job for a long while (hopefully). I am still leaning toward the 130hp normally aspirated FPT. Apparently the engineer has fitted quite a few of these into creel boats around here and they seem pretty reliable. He is suggesting keeping the same gearbox (ZF 2:1) and re pitching the prop down. I am tempted to leave the prop as it is first just to see how it will go and then repitching if we get black smoke or overheating etc. My theory is this :- we currently run at 1400rpm which gives 7.5kn and uses 3 gallons per hour which equates to 60hp produced by the engine. If you use the 20hp per gallon per hour theory. Surely this new engine will spin my current prop at 1400 rpm and still only require 60hp to do it leaving a bit in reserve with maybe the occasional 10kn at higher revs if ever required using all the 130hp available. I wonder if I am missing something quite fundemental here and await everyones input, we will see.

I don't think a wheelhouse extension would be massively expensive, it might be worth getting a quote from a yard first before parting with your boat especially if you are happy with her in all other respects. The biggest part of the work would be having the engine box slightly inside the wheelhouse. Last winter I had a removable bulkhead fitted to make LJ quieter which was only possible because I did away with the hydraulic pump and tank etc. LJ will be out of the water in a few weeks if you had the inclination to pop up to Oban for a look you are more than welcome, I might not be able to be there as I live on another island though.

Cheers

Martin

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Hi Martin,

I agree with your prop sentiment - it can do no real harm trying it out in the very short term. We had a nightmare of a job with a 350HP Ford Sabre - we couldn't even get the boat to get 'over the hump'. It turned out to be a knackered recon engine!

For your needs a 130 naturally aspirated is proably more than enough. We had a 180 Cummins in Ocean Star when we bought her, and then changed to a 250HP when our friend upgraded his engine to a 300HP Mermaid. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and 500HP for us is great, but probably more than we need for our business. I'm hoping to move down to the 300HP mark with a Sportsfisherman. That gives me a comfortable cruise and economy combined. (ish!)

I'd love to take a trip to Oban, I bought an engine from there about 5 or 6 years ago. The guy was based on the Isle Of Luing. (spelling!?). I think the guy was Alistair Robb. Sadly our Colvic Coastworker 32' sank during a gale before we could trial and the engine. I'll see how the winter bookings go and let you know if I can make the trip. Always a nice excuse to take the Mrs away :)

Cheers,
Lee

Martin · Senior Member

Hi Lee

Alistair Robb fitted the current Ford Sabre in LJ, he is a really good bloke and has tons of experience with boats like ours. With 280hp we can't get over the hump either which makes me think there is something not quite correct somewhere, I hear of boats with 150hp achieving 14/15 kn which is what i get flat out, someone suggested a gearbox ratio of 1.5:1 would improve the situation but as reliability and economy is more important to me than speed will stick with my original plan.

If you can make it up over winter just give me a buzz, unless I am away on a survey I would try to make it.

Cheers

Martin

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Well, I've completed my first trip on the Ocean Star this weekend and it was good to be back in the chair so to speak. A 0545 pickup from Rhyl Harbour. The tide in Rhyl runs abeam of us, so with 10 men on board and almost 1000L of fuel, at 2000rpm we managed a comfortable 14/15kts. Bearing in mind one side was full of barnies and is in dire need of a good scrape! We stretched her legs on the way back home and picked up around 20kts - prop needs looking at and will be taken off when she is out and recon'd. I'll be running out of the Mersey next year and will have a good few knots of tide behind me, which will help things a lot (especially fuel burn!).

Little disappointed that the boat has been worked fairly hard this season - I know the model is 'workboat' but that really doesn't have to mean literally. It means slightly more expense to get her how I would like. Nothing major to the boat, just mainly cosmetics and some creature comforts that should have been done, but for one reason or another have not. There has been a repair to the bow under the waterline that was carried out before I bought her - nothing leaking, but the job could have been done more tidily I feel. Surveyor inspected and signed off fit for purpose so I'll have to live with it for now. The engine touchedon 1935 hours at the weekend, which I am assured is nothing for the model. It has taken 5 years to get to those hours so I don't envisage ever reaching 10,000 in my ownership.

I'll not put pictures up 'as is' - or maybe I will. Before & after always makes me feel better. I hope to be out of the water next week sometime and will be having the topsides bead blasted - below the waterline is still mint so I can maybe save a bit by doing that next season if needed. First jobs when out is the hull blasting, new cooker, repaint topsides and flowcoat the decks. Oh, and a new toilet! I'll get some pics up soon.

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Repaint March 2010

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

A couple more pictures. One of the OS putting a sinking yacht into the marina for an emergency lift out.

LeeSpot · Veteran Member

Managed a very quick touch up on the beach this week - needs another drying out for the antifoul and waterline. Should do us until March when we can get a month out of the water :)

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